From Secular Blasphemy I found this ridiculous defense of the IDiots attempt to put evolution on trial, by Brian McNicoll, called “A little humility, please”.
This piece is so bad – so chock full of fallacies – that it’s hard to be sure if McNicoll is badly informed, really stupid, or just dishonest. (It’s not funny enough to be a spoof, although you can’t be sure these days.) He claims to be a journalist so he shouldn’t be misinformed (OK maybe that’s a stretch. Work with me.) And I don’t see how he could be that stupid so I hope for his sake he’s dishonest. The piece is so hilariously bad I just can’t help breaking it down point by point. (It’s a hobby. Some people go windsurfing. I’m doing it because I can.) And I’m emailing him and his editor the link to this piece to see if he wants to respond.
(Admittedly this is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel. It’s Sunday, I’m taking things easy today.)
Here goes. Be prepared to be amazed at McNicoll’s dishonesty (or stupidity – your call).
The Darwinists
BZZTT! –Origin of Species was published in 1859. Things have moved on a bit lot since then. It’s called the theory of evolution now and contains masses of evidence Darwin would never even have dreamed about.
Oh no, I can smell straw:
have a lawyer in the proceedings named Pedro Irigonegaray, and he cross-examined some opposing witnesses. But so far, the scientific community of Kansas and surrounding areas has refused to participate. This proceeding, they say, is beneath them because all issues regarding the origin of life are settled.
Bwaahahaah, no scientist would say all issues regarding the origin of life are settled.
They might say that evolution is backed by huge amounts of evidence. They might say it is the only explanation that fits the observations. They might say there is absolutely zero evidence for ID. They might. But they would not say all the issues are settled, no. McNicoll made up a ridiculous position, assigned it to evolutionists, and then attacked that position. Classic Straw Man fallacy.
Oh, and the origin of life is abiogenesis, not evolution. Didn’t get much right did you Brian?
When I hear such talk, I can’t help but think of the distinguished members of the scientific community who killed George Washington by using leeches to cure him of what amounted to a bad case of the flu. Or the study that came out just this week saying that a procedure performed a million times a year in this country on women during childbirth not only doesn’t help them but makes things worse.
Five Apples No. 8. Thank you. Don’t mention it.
How do we know not to leech people, and who figured it out? We know through scientists practicing science. It is a strength of science that it continues to examine what we thought true and continues to challenge and test previous assumptions. Scientists have been wrong before, but that does not mean any idea you can think of is likely to be right. Saying that science has been wrong before does nothing to hide the fact that there is no evidence for ID. None! There is nothing to test, and so no new knowledge can ever be found. It’s a dead end.
Or the sad treatment of Galileo, a distinguished scientist who spent the last years of his life under what amounted to house arrest because he’d been convicted of heresy for asserting that the earth orbited the sun, rather than the other way around.
Oh boy. I love this analogy. Galileo was a scientist who collected evidence that the Earth orbited the Sun, and was censored by the church because this view didn’t agree with the Bible. And McNicoll casts the ID proponents in the role of Galileo? Wow! McNicoll, your new word for the day.
In each of these cases, the scientists of the day assumed that they knew the truth, that they had incontrovertible proof and that no instruments ever would appear that could disprove their thinking. All those assumptions, of course, proved to be wrong. Now, with equal certainty, a similar group asserts that we can close the book on the subject of the origin of life, even though none of us was there and what’s observable now – or even during Darwin’s time – is only a small fraction of what’s been observable over the history of the earth.
Isn’t that straw man dead yet?
Further complicating the situation is that people of faith have, for the most part, lined up on one side of the issue, and people who seem to want to discredit faith have lined up on the other. The problem is that while people of faith certainly aren’t always right on these issues – it seems pretty clear that the Earth is more than 10,000 years old, for instance – neither are they always wrong.
They’re against passing out condoms in schools, and it turns out that’s smart. We’re passing out more condoms than ever in this country, yet, somehow, the incidence of sexually transmitted disease continues to rise.
Obviously no one ever told McNicoll that correlation is not causation.
In sex education, religious people want to go heavy on the abstinence and light on the “comprehensive.” Turns out kids who have received a strong abstinence message have less teen pregnancy, fewer STDs, less suicide, less depression and a host of other desirable outcomes.
No one told him about this study either:
“Teens who pledge to remain virgins until marriage are more likely to take chances with other kinds of sex that increase the risk of sexually transmitted diseases, a study of 12,000 adolescents suggests.
“The report by Yale and Columbia University researchers could help explain their earlier findings that teens who pledged abstinence are just as likely to have STDs as their peers.”
(My bold.)
On the other hand, if Darwin was off the mark, he wasn’t far off. I personally think the question is merely where in the process God intervened or, rather, stopped intervening and let nature run its course. But then, I believe in God. Again, that doesn’t make me right, but it doesn’t make me wrong either.
It just makes you unscientific. Which is not OK if you’re deciding what to teach in science classes.
I guess what I’m asking for here is a little humility from the “scientific community,” a little acknowledgement that you’ve been wrong before and will be again.
Er, I guess what I’m asking for here is a little humility from the “religious community,” a little acknowledgement that you’ve been wrong before and will be again. Here’s a crazy idea - perhaps if you followed the scientific method?
It’s hard to believe that Darwin, a seminarian before his voyage on the Beagle, would endorse the God v. Darwin tone that emanates from so much of this debate any more than would Galileo, who wrote extensively for the church on how Copernican theory could be squared with the Bible.
It’s always amusing when an ID apologist uses Darwin in an Argument From Authority.
The “scientific community” frequently cites the slimy evasions of creationists and intelligent-design advocates when they get “nailed” with some question about amino acids or whatnot.
Scientists do criticize creationists’ lies, that’s true. Hey, I think McNicoll got one right.
You want to see slimy evasion? Put this to a dedicated Darwinist:
How did two apes, two animals driven by nothing but instinct to survive, mate and produce a thinking, discerning, right-from-wrong-knowing human being? Two of them, actually – one boy and one girl, in more or less the same neighborhood, travel not being as convenient then as it is now.
You’ll hear all manner of stammering and yammering about how it’s not that simple, how saying we have a common ancestor doesn’t exactly mean that, at some point, two animals mated and produced a free-thinking person. But the fact is, it is exactly that simple. Show me how this could’ve occurred, shoe me the “missing link,” and I’m foursquare on your side.
OK, I’ll try to say it without the stammering and yammering. It’s not that simple, we have a common ancestor, but this doesn’t mean that two apes gave birth to a human. (Phew, I did it!)
Show you the missing link, you say? OK:
(From here.)
Now suppose you tell me what’s missing.
Otherwise, open your minds and admit you have not answered all the relevant questions.
I suggest you open your mind and admit you have not asked or answered any relevant questions, but have just written a load of nonsense. To put it another way: a little honesty please.
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