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July 18, 2006

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Ronnie Hawkins is a fairly well known singer. And I've heard of him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronnie_Hawkins

You left out one vital piece of information and one that makes people like you and me frustrated beyond belief. The 14 year old girl with the knee problems did say she felt that whatever Adam did wasn't working anymore(it seemed to work at first at least to her). But her final comment was that she felt she would get better if she could see him again in person. Now I would like to think it is so she can slap him upside his head but it is because after all her pain she still holds out for a fairy tale ending. Her belief in magic wasn't effected one bit. She represents millions of people around the world who are incapable of letting go of that kind of irrational belief and are sitting ducks for the bastards like Adam.

The Hawk will tell anyone who will listen that the Doctors had sent him home to put his affairs in order because they could do nothing for him. I remember at the time hearing from an accquaintance of his that the doctors had opened him up, saw how bad it was, and simply sewed him back up again. It seems now that wasn't the case.

Incidentally, I belive the Primetime anchor's name is John Quiñones, not Quiqones. Odd that ABC appears to have repeatedly misspelled his name.

He also did a "report" a while back on a faith healer calling himself "John of God": http://skepdic.com/johnofgod.html

Fortunately, this program appears to be a lot more well-balanced than that horribly "John of God" one. Maybe they actually read all the letters send in after that.

I just have one little comment to add: Giving people a placebo like faith healing may be better than nothing at all, but it's a definite step backward when they take it over actual medicine. If it's important to give people hope, get real doctors to prescribe placebos when medicine can do nothing. They're the only ones who should be making that judgment.

And to think I've been wasting my time going to college when I could have taken the ferry to Angel Island and received lecture from a (black) seagull to learn calculus. How foolish of me.

That's a bird?

Spelling of Quiñones now changed - thanks Aaron for the alert. I had copied the spelling from the ABC website - apparently they didn't know how to spell it either.

I saw that show! I was laughing my ass off too! Great Post!

I thought it was funny how Adam didn't "see" Quinones' injuried shoulder. After all John of God had tried to heal it. But of course Quinones did't do everything exactly like he was told so it didn't work.

My impression of Lucy was she didn't believe in Adam at the end it was her mother who still had faith. Also notice on his website the whole list of qualifiers about his "powers"?

Now, why am I pretty sure we're gonna see a similar show here (Greece) next Fall?

Ah, silly me -- because it sells...

Sometimes, Skeptico, your snarkiness can make you shoot yourself in the foot -- and the only reason this is relevant is that the work you do is so important that I hate to see you weaken, not your arguments, but your ability to convince people by it.

People, sadly, LIKE the erroneous beliefs they have, and hold on to them. They will take any reasonable excuse to dismiss the arguments against them. (This is, in fact, the basis of Rovian politics.) So your offhanded dismissal of Ronnie Hawkins ("never heard of him? Me neither.) gives them one, gives them a chance to stop reading at that point.

First, to anyone with a background in rock, RONNIE HAWKINS AND THE HAWKS is an important name, since it was the group that later became THE BAND, one of the more important bands, at one time back-up band to Bob Dylan, etc. Hawkins played with them -- as is shown in the Wikipedia article -- at the tearing down of the Berlin Wall and at Bill Clinton's Inaugural.

It doesn't mater much that you had "never heard of him." What matters is that you didn't at least do a quick Wiki search for the name, preferring, instead, to add your snarkiness. (You would have also discovered that apparently Adam's 'healing powers' didn't work because he's STILL mentioned as having cancer.) This gives readers who SHOULD be paying attention to your valuable comments a chance to say "Oh, he's so lazy he doesn't even check a simple fact like this. Why should I assume he has checked the other stuff he wrote?"

Again, 'nonsense fighters' are among the most valuable people around. You are a good one. Don't hurt your own credibility like this.

Prup:

Fair point – I hadn’t considered that throwaway comment about Hawkins might put someone off reading the rest of the post. I have amended the article – it now reads “musician Ronnie Hawkins”, and references to “never heard of him” have been removed. Thanks for your advice.

I seem to recall that Ronnie Hawkins has never had biopsy-proven cancer. He had a mass in the head of his pancreas that was presumed to be cancer (which such masses generally have a high probability of being in someone Hawkins' age), but no definitive biopsy was ever done.

I may have to look into this a bit more to make sure my memory on this matter is correct.

I appreciate your sitting through that segment: I couldn't do it. It is nice to know someone who cares about "factuality" has the intestinal fortitude to do it. Those stories just piss me off. Thanks again, DS

An important reason he might not take Randi's challenge: http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2179784&page=1

"ABC News estimates that Adam will make more than $1 million this year, and that doesn't include the income from his books, DVDs and $150 healing sessions he offers over the Internet."

Sickening.

If the million$ doesn't include the books, dvds, and "healing" sessions, then what, pray tell, is it from?

That's just the "seminars" - $99 per person for the group "healing" in the dark and a slide show of the black bird on the island.

Am I the only one who thinks that bird picture looks a little dodgy?

I've got a few bits to add to this that I haven't seen mentioned.

The "quantum hologram" Adam credits isn't his idea, it stemmed from an encounter he had with Edgar Mitchell, one-time Apollo astronaut and founder and chief guru of IONS, the Institute for Noetic Sciences, a small and fading New Age cult group. (I know some of them, and membership, never large, is falling. The average age of members is pretty high, and rising.)

Mitchell seems to have latched onto this "theory" after reading speculative hypothesizing (fantasizing?) about quantum entanglement and its implications from a former scientist called Bohm, who was apparently well respected until he went whack.

It basically all boils down to a happy New Age belief that "everything is connected" and isn't it wonderful, tra-la-la, and distance healing can so too work because quantum mechanics says so.

Last I heard about Ronnie Hawkins, he'd tried everything, including surgery, and apparently every altie treatment he heard about, so if he did have cancer and doesn't any more, it's still dishonest of Adam to claim he did it.

Bill Cameron, one of my favourite TV journalists and anchors, went to Adam when he had cancer (throat, I believe), but Adam couldn't help. RIP Bill.

I've also read (at Quackwatch, I think) that Adam's group sessions require one to sign a disclaimer that basically says: If you get better, Adam did it, if you don't or get worse, it's your fault. Just like an old-time shaman, eh? "She must want the demon to inhabit her! I can do nothing."

At one point the story was that Adam was planning to go to med school, to "learn how he can do these things", but a later version had him deciding to pursue naturopathy, which of course would avoid exposure by real scientists in med school and would also give him a steady supply of suckers. But now that he's making a million a year, perhaps he won't bother.

There's plenty who believe in him, though, like those IONS people I know, even right down to the black bird that downloaded all the knowledge of the universe into his lucky little brain.

Google "quantum hologram" and you'll get endless repetitive hits and references to Edgar Mitchell, which will give you some idea of the actual breadth of this idea in the scientific community (zero). Google "Adam Dreamhealer" and you'll find lots of good stuff debunking him.

Thanks, Skeptico, but now back to work. Me, that is.

Bob Park has apologised for letting ABC use him in the program. He asked readers what penance he should perform, and will now purchase "What the Fuck Do We Know" and watch it the whole way through - twice.

Hello Skeptics.

Of course people heal with hope. Do you think you are just your body? Do you think your body gets sick for no reason? Do you really think your life happens to you? When people are healed and then skeptics talk about the fakeness and the placebo it makes me incredibly sad. Your body is your souls expression of who you are and the beliefs you have. You are outraged and upset by people claiming to be healers. Healers only hold the space to allow someone to heal. You have to be ready to heal. You must let go of trauma, stuck emotion and resentments. It is too bad no one has ever told you this. It is too bad you have no faith. This world is a sad one indeed if you feel you have no control over your life or your own body. If anyone wants to know what i am talking about you can write to me and i will tell you. Life is not meant to be a struggle. You only believe it is.
kkadlec007@yahoo.com

Of course people heal with hope.

Prove it. Guy'll give you a million dollars if you can.

Do you think you are just your body?

Technically, probably.

Do you think your body gets sick for no reason?

There are always reasons. Most involve malfuctions, bacteria, viruses, and that sort of thing.

Do you really think your life happens to you?

Well... yeah.

When people are healed and then skeptics talk about the fakeness and the placebo it makes me incredibly sad.

When people aren't healed, and quacks claim they are, it makes me even sadder.

Your body is your souls expression of who you are and the beliefs you have. You are outraged and upset by people claiming to be healers.

Apparently moral outrage is good for my body, then.

Healers only hold the space to allow someone to heal. You have to be ready to heal. You must let go of trauma, stuck emotion and resentments.

Strange that my emotional state doesn't have all that much to deal with whether I recover. Stress interferes, but I don't get all much of that.

It is too bad no one has ever told you this. It is too bad you have no faith.

It is too bad people who tell me this have no obligation to prove what they say because they have the thing that allows them to completely ignore the truth, no matter what: Faith.

This world is a sad one indeed if you feel you have no control over your life or your own body.

Sad that you have to manufacture this imaginary depression so that you can say whatever you want about skeptics, even though you've obviously never spoken to one.

Life is not meant to be a struggle. You only believe it is.

Life wasn't meant to be anything. Besides, if it wasn't for the existence of struggle, it'd be boring. I sometimes play videogames just to introduce struggle into my otherwise serene life. And, of course, I struggle for the truth, because that's a higher value than my comfort.

Adam wants to remain "unidentified" and "mysterious". However, there MUST be people out there in Vancouver/BC who went to school with the boy or who KNOW of the family? They can't just have "beamed down" from nowhere? Perhaps they can comment on the veracity of his claims??? Any ideas?

Adam wants to remain "unidentified" and "mysterious". However, there MUST be people out there in Vancouver/BC who went to school with the boy or who KNOW of the family? They can't just have "beamed down" from nowhere? Perhaps they can comment on the veracity of his claims??? Any ideas?

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