From PZ I found Proof That God Exists – a series of questions designed to force the conclusion that (you guessed it), god exists. The site presents a series of yes/no questions about whether laws of logic, science and absolute morals exist – questions to which I answered “yes”. Sure, I guess “absolute moral laws” might be debatable, but I thought, murder is always bad and so I answered yes.
When I answered the last question with “I do not believe that God exists”, I got the following “proof”. Well, not so much. I imagine the logical fallacies employed will be obvious:
Denying the existence of God is not unbelief but an exercise in self-deception. You may know things, but you cannot account for anything you know.
And neither can you. The difference is that you make up an answer - “God” – and put him in the place where you have no answer. But it’s just a made up explanation – you have no reason to suppose it’s true, other than that you just like it. And it’s a useless explanation. Unless you know something about this “God” – how he created everything; why he created it; what he’s likely to do next - it’s a lack of an explanation. It’s just a placeholder until a real explanation comes along.
Arguing against God's existence would be on par with arguing against the existence of air, breathing it all the while.
False analogy. If a living animal is deprived of air, it will die. This is a repeatable, reliable and undoubted observation. I wouldn’t have to put up some lame 20 questions website to prove it either.
You use the universal, immaterial, unchanging laws of logic, mathematics, science, and absolute morality in order to come to rational decisions, but you cannot account for them. These laws are not the only way God has revealed himself to you, but they are sufficient to show the irrationality of your thinking, and expose your guilt for denying Him.
Pure assertion, unsupported by arguments presented so far.
There is a reason that you deny the existence of God and it has nothing to do with proof. I can show this to you. Examine what your initial reaction was to the proof of God's existence offered on this website.
OK. My initial reaction was… “let’s list the logical fallacies you’re using and put up a blog post”. What’s your point?
Did you think that you could continue to deny God because you are not a scientist, or philosopher but 'Surely somewhere, sometime, a philosopher or scientist will come up with an explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws apart from God?' Did you try to come up with an alternate explanation on your own?
No – see above. I don’t need to come up with “an alternate explanation” – you’re the one making the claim so it is up to you to support that claim.
OR Did you even consider that the proof was valid?
First – it wasn't proof. Proof only exists within math. This was an attempt to prove something using logic only. Even if the logic wasn’t flawed (which it was, but let’s say it wasn't), it would still not be “proof”, or even particularly good evidence. Logic is great, but at the end of the exercise when you have your logical conclusion, you still have to test your conclusion against reality to see if it is true. Science is full of experiments that seemed logically sound but failed the experiment and were discarded. When I agreed the laws of logic exist, I didn’t agree that logic is always correct and will always lead you to the correct solution. So for many reasons, your “proof” is quite obviously not valid.
Hoping that an alternate explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws can someday be found apart from God, is a blind leap of faith, or wishful thinking. Isn't it interesting that this is exactly what professed unbelievers accuse Christians of?
Yeah, but that’s not what I did. I’m just saying that if you or I don’t have the answer, you don’t get to say “therefore God” by default.
Please examine the real reason why you are running from God. It is my prayer that God will open your eyes and change your heart so that you may be saved from your sin, embraced by His forgiving love, and come to know the peace which passes all understanding.
I’m not running from something that (probably) doesn’t exist. And we know that prayer is useless so go on, knock yourself out, pray for me. Pray for some better logic while you’re at it.
The whole website was an exercise in argument from ignorance – you can’t explain it, therefore God. Throw in an argument by bad analogy, some confident assertion that you have proved your point, and the customary attempt to assign motives to disbelief (“running from God”) and it’s the same standard vacuous religious drivel we’ve all heard before. Nothing to see here.