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February 23, 2010

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You've lost me. I guess I'm going to have to wait for the movie to come out.

I like these "two faced" posts. Continues to just show that no matter what happens, no matter what evidence arises, no matter how complete the proof is, to these jerks, it will always be the vaccines that cause autism.

You know becuase it can't be age of the parent, genetic inheritance, changes in diagnosis criterion, or self deception on the part of parents. That would be impossible. You know... because its the vaccines.

Evidence suggests a causal link between childhood vaccination and severe memory loss and decreases in IQ among a disturbingly high percentage of parents.

It's more complicated than that. There are two JB Handleys in 2010 alone. Quote:

The fact that tens of thousands of parents have reported that heir child regressed into autism after vaccination.
(source)

So JB Handley 2010-A says that tens of thousands of parents have reported an event that JB Handley 2010-B believes to be very rare.

I'm not 100% certain, but did Jenny McCarthy claim that her child is now "soulless", as a result of the autism vaccine?

Maybe I just read that wrong:

And soon thereafter -- boom -- the soul's gone from his eyes.

Nope, definitely seems like her child is, according to her own words, soulless. Or has chelation therapy restored his soul since then?

@dogmatichaos: In her book, there's an introduction by Dr. Kartzinel, who stated: "Autism, as I see it, steals the soul from a child; then, if allowed, relentelessly sucks life's marrow out of the family members, one by one."

That was quite offensive to many in the autism communities, and it can also be shown that it's nonsense factually.

@Joseph.

Thanks, and I'm sorry if you actually read her book to find that quote. Former "Singled Out" co-hosts should not be the basis of a medical movement.

It is truly amazing how J.B. Handley can change his story and shift the goalposts so radically. For instance:

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/02/shifting_goalposts_shifting_stories.php

You nailed his changing his personal story perfectly.

As I recall it, Jenny McCarthy's son "became autistic" after his seizures started--which was age 2.5. This would be 1 to 1.5 years after the MMR. Yes, in geologic time that counts as "soon therafter".

In the recent Time magazine article they talk about Jenny watching her kid's eyes roll back after vaccines--an event not mentioned in her first book, as I recall.

On the non-child front, Jenny had a run-in with Barbara Walters on the day of her episode of "The View". This was a big event in her life, one that took a chapter of her book. The problem is that she changed the story. In one version she had the run-in before going on The View, in another version, it happened after going on The View.

Don't think about it too hard, there... You'll get a headache, like I frequently do. Probably toxins.

My son had health problems beginning at about 2 months of age, largely related to GI issues, food allergies, and sleep. They were always with him from that point on, he was always sick.

After his 13 month appointment, his health took an abrupt turn for the worse, but his development continued. Somewhere around 18 months, he started to lose many of the milestones he had met. My wife and I pieced together a 3-4 month slide...

At 24 months, he was diagnosed with autism.

The story has always been the same, wordsmithing wont change what happened to Jamie or all the other kids, nice try.

JB Handley 2010 makes an appearance: 


…wordsmithing wont change what happened to Jamie or all the other kids, nice try.


No JB, it won’t and it didn’t.  JB Handley 2005’s words are clear for all to see.  As you said, nice try.

The second comment must have been from JB Handley 2005:

And, here's a bunch of stories from other parents:

http://www.generationrescue.org/gr-community/vaccine-injury.php


A couple of examples from JB Handley 2005’s link:

I remember taking her to the doctor and asking him if this shot would cause any harm to her. I was told no no no. I remember having second thoughts. I then remember my healthy girl getting her MMR. Overnite, [sic] she was projectile vomiting and spiked a fever. The following morning, she was not the child she was the day before. I will always blame myself for not following my gut. [My bold.]

“Overnight.”  Huh – that sure sounds like “my son daughter was 100% fine, and […] after one vaccine appointment [s]he lost everything.”

So does this:

15 months old vaccines (including MMR) adverse reactions: was running before he had vaccines and once he had the vaccines he was running into walls and stumbling. Two days later, he couldn't walk/couldn't crawl, acted like he was 'on drugs', kept holding his head and moaning, and lost all speech (he had about 10 words before that). It was all downhill from there. I fully support an alternative vaccine schedule and do not believe that newborns should be vaccinated. [My bold.]

“Two days” after a vaccine. 

Mr Handley – in future could you please state which JB Handley you are – the one from 2005 or the one from 2010?  Because if you were the same person, you would have just contradicted yourself with those two comments.

The 2005 JB Handley:

"Jamie Handley was a happy, healthy baby who reached all his developmental milestones until he turned 18 months, his parents said."

Source

The 2010 JB Handley:

"My son had health problems beginning at about 2 months of age, largely related to GI issues, food allergies, and sleep. They were always with him from that point on, he was always sick."


Jeebus JB, memory problems?


Maybe memory problems are another symptom of mercury poisoning.

Handley is not the only one with shifting stories regarding vaccination and the development of autism in his child. In fact, if one is willing to wade through the stories by parents at AoA and chart the changes, it becomes apparent that their group membership contributes to the shifting of more extreme stories. I don't think they are aware of it; I don't even think they do it intentionally. I've written on this (in conjunction with Thelma and Louise) at Handley is not the only one with shifting stories regarding vaccination and the development of autism in his child. In fact, if one is willing to wade through the stories by parents at AoA and chart the changes, it becomes apparent that their group membership contributes to the shifting of more extreme stories. I don't think they are aware of it; I don't even think they do it intentionally. I've written on this (in conjunction with Thelma and Louise) at http://counteringageofautism.blogspot.com/2009/12/memory-like-wine-t-and-ls-true-lies.html.

After his 13 month appointment, his health took an abrupt turn for the worse, but his development continued. Somewhere around 18 months, he started to lose many of the milestones he had met.
So, what else might your son have been exposed to in the five months between the shot and the first signs of regression? You can't even make a good case that the vaccine was the proximate cause of the autism.

And as to all your testimonials--from people who, with their flawed memories and nonexistent medical experience, make the same error you do: associating autism diagnosis with vaccination because they occur closely enough to each other to be considered "close"--you do realize that the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data,' right? Why is it that when we control for confounding factors and subjective, selective memory, this connection between autism and vaccines disappears?

Recall bias is a real problem for autism research. The parents are not making it up. But they are subject to all sorts of subtle pressures to misremember and truly believe that they are faithfully remembering the past.

“A review of each record showed that in 13 children the history given by the parents had changed after the extensive publicity about MMR vaccine and autism. Before the publicity the parents often reported concerns early in their child's life, usually before their first birthday; the current history for the same children recorded symptoms as developing only after MMR vaccination, in some cases shortly after.”
(Taylor, Miller, Lingam, Andrews, Simmons & Stowe 2002. page 395)
http://ukpmc.ac.uk/articlerender.cgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=11850369

[Wildly off topic post deleted by Skeptico.]

Mike Stanton, yes, and recall bias isn't unique to autism research. That's one of the reasons that the Vaccine Court requires corroboration of the parents' recollections in the medical record.

Hah...Too funny. Is JBH really that blind to his own inconsistencies or is he a cynical manipulator who wants to preserve his biomed-promotion empire? Does it matter?

Skeptico,

You made no sense what-so-ever! What were trying to convey by your useless ranting? I honestly thought I was reading the script to "Billy Madison" where he tries to describe the Industrial Revolution. Let me help you.... At the very end of your story you have written..."Nib High Football Rules"!!!!

You are a tool.

Skeptico,

You made no sense what-so-ever! What were trying to convey by your useless ranting? I honestly thought I was reading the script to "Billy Madison" where he tries to describe the Industrial Revolution. Let me help you.... At the very end of your story you should have written..."Nib High Football Rules"!!!!

You are a tool.

Methinks Wacko has a reading comprehension problem. The point is that JB Handley has changed his story.

Which JB Handley do you subscribe to, Wacko?

I can understand the "Wacko" part of your handle, but where exactly does the "Smasher" part fit in?

Let me guess, you wanted to Smash Skeptico's criticism of Handley, and had some super great knock downs ready, but then you got distracted and finished up posting a complaint about composition and style instead.

Have another go, and try and stay focussed this time.

Yakaru,

The Smasher part to my name is because I kick Ass! When I see something or someone who thinks they have all of the answers and comes across like an idiot, that is when they get smashed and if you can make out Skeptico's ranting then more power to you brother.

Anyways, I can see why Senor Skeptico is giving Mr. Handley a hard time because parts of his story doesn't add up. I give that to Skeptico but when you have a child with Autism time flys my friend and next thing you know 7 years have gone by and your child is still in diapers. As for my story, who cares.

Yakaru, I loved your break down of my last post but my intensions were not to knock down Senor Skeptico but just to put some humor in his Billy Madison type rant. Looks like you should get out more often and focus on what is important rather than follow some knuckle head who obviously has nothing better to do than to write up a story (and a bad one ontop of that) about a man trying to get the word out to the people about what happened to his child.

So if you like, come to the Bronx and I will show you why they call me the WackoSmasher.

I hereby certify the previous post to be content-free.

- Inspector 27
United States Bureau of Content

"Looks like you should get out more often and focus on what is important"

sigh, if I had a nickle for every time I heard that condescending tone. If you were actually humorous, I'd say you were adding humor. But you are just an asshat with nothing to say. As if Yakaru spent all day huddled up in his computer room in the dark to spit out that 20 second post.

Plus you are all over the place, yeah 7 years is a long time. Handley maintains both points of view, but worse than all of this and the reason fo rthe post, is that handley runs Generation Rescue. It woudl be fine if he was some no name parent asking question, but no, he runs the antivax central command. The damage this guy causes is huge.

So sure, think you are funny when you are not. go for the live and let live point of view while your child isnt infected by something harmful due to the vitriol and bile this guy spews.

I suppose most fools think they kick ass.

Wacko:

The Smasher part to my name is because I kick Ass!

Evidence?

Yakaru, I loved your break down of my last post but my intensions were not to knock down Senor Skeptico but just to put some humor in his Billy Madison type rant.
You failed miserably in both your intentions.
Looks like you should get out more often and focus on what is important
Yeah, do important stuff like writing content-free critiques of things we clearly don't understand! Arguing against someone who is successfully lobbying for the return of deadly infectious diseases because he rejects basic medicine for no good reason is totally trivial.

Ladies and gentlemen, I think we've just met the definition of "asshat."

Sock puppet post deleted

What smells like socks?

'wackosmasher' in this case is a euphemism for self-flagellation

i'll bet $$ 2 dohnuts there isn't a single mirror in casa wacko

I can understand a parent with an autistic kid freaking out, getting aggressive, demanding to have their claims taken seriously. But at some point, they have to accept that speaking out on such an important issue demands responsibility and at least trying to get your facts straight.

It's a bit like someone dialing 911 and then being to het up to remember their location.

[Deadpan] Yeah, because really, we need a president who cares only about style, not substance. We need a president who will only rebrand their political party instead of tackling the tough issues. [/Deadpan]

Sock puppet isn't even trying.

Deleted by Skeptico

- no Sock Puppets

I guess socks do come in pairs.

By the way:

one of insolence guys

I love how Not Even Wrong that is.

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